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Just noticing all the vx footy out there looks bad. Footage kinda haze / foggy on all the vxs!

Look how crisp it looked back then:

 

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Makes me wonder how long we may even have vx's around...

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I think a lot of current "bad" looking vx footage looks bad due to  inappropriate shutter/ aperature combos, and people trying to get "golden colors". Just because you're using a vx1000 doesn't mean footage will instantly look good. The basic properties of exposure still apply. 

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1 hour ago, tunaboat said:

I think a lot of current "bad" looking vx footage looks bad due to  inappropriate shutter/ aperature combos, and people trying to get "golden colors". Just because you're using a vx1000 doesn't mean footage will instantly look good. The basic properties of exposure still apply. 

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11 hours ago, tunaboat said:

I think a lot of current "bad" looking vx footage looks bad due to  inappropriate shutter/ aperature combos, and people trying to get "golden colors". Just because you're using a vx1000 doesn't mean footage will instantly look good. The basic properties of exposure still apply. 

Definitely this and I think for fisheye footage some of it also has to do with more and more people choosing to skip on saving up for an mk1 and settling for cheaper glass. The only two other kids in town who I know film vx1 both use optekas with spacers. At least From my own experience, switching to the mk1 made a fairly noticeable difference in sharpness.

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1 hour ago, mikeronzitti said:

Definitely this and I think for fisheye footage some of it also has to do with more and more people choosing to skip on saving up for an mk1 and settling for cheaper glass. The only two other kids in town who I know film vx1 both use optekas with spacers. At least From my own experience, switching to the mk1 made a fairly noticeable difference in sharpness.

this is true. The switch from opteka to a mark 1 is so much clearer. If you put a clip side by side you can tell the difference between them. The glass on the opteka isn't as nice. 

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The biggest thing with the footage you see on youtube has to due with current youtube compression and the way the editor is exporting the video. I recently exported some vx footy at 4k60p at a high bitrate just to see how youtube would handle it and it for sure makes a huge difference. Youtube hates the native 480p res and compresses the shit out of it even further creating very pixelated artifact heavy images. Vx footage should always be exported at at least 720p60 for best youtube results in my opinion.

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I always tell people to fucks with the MK1. I can't get down with any other inferior lens. Sell your kids, sell your wife and get a MK1. (that's one culprit of bad looking vx1 footy). 

 

People trying to hard to get golden colours can be another one, too.

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On 30/4/2018 at 8:01 AM, tunaboat said:

I think a lot of current "bad" looking vx footage looks bad due to  inappropriate shutter/ aperature combos, and people trying to get "golden colors". Just because you're using a vx1000 doesn't mean footage will instantly look good. The basic properties of exposure still apply. 

Yeah people don't even bother making the wb off something white.

But just vxs looks bad in general nowadays compared to old footy, foggy lenses - chips getting older I guess

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1 hour ago, twinskates said:

Yeah people don't even bother making the wb off something white.

Yeah I remember someone telling me to white balance off something blue before for good colours. 

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this has been colour corrected, sharpened and upres'd to 1080p so it's no wonder it looks like this. VX1000's don't get these colours straight off the camera. yes some people have dirtier internal lenses and fisheyes but it doesn't mean the quality of the cameras deteriorate over time.

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22 hours ago, jordanpalmerwiens said:

this has been colour corrected, sharpened and upres'd to 1080p so it's no wonder it looks like this. VX1000's don't get these colours straight off the camera. yes some people have dirtier internal lenses and fisheyes but it doesn't mean the quality of the cameras deteriorate over time.

I will make a post about it, and yes it deteriorate the quality you just don't know how perfect vx1000 footy looks like cause you're just too used to see vx footy with bad lenses.

Here's a comparison.

 

 

 

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Must we not forget you're also watching this on Youtube, which rapes quality..,

If you were to watch VX1 footy on a DVD or a VHS tape, it'll look as close to OG quality you're referring to as possible. 

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8 hours ago, twinskates said:

I will make a post about it, and yes it deteriorate the quality you just don't know how perfect vx1000 footy looks like cause you're just too used to see vx footy with bad lenses.

Here's a comparison.

 

 

 

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 I've been filming with vx's for over 10 years. That second clip is in China (smog) and probably has a dirty lens. I had my vx serviced by Kerry from Video Electronics this year (which included a full lens assembly cleaning) and my footage looks in between the two. The footage from Jim has definitley had the blacks taken down or contrast increased, there's no doubt about it. This is from a long time vx filmer and experienced colour grader's opinion. The best part of the vx is the dynamic range it has compared to it's other Mini DV counterparts, which in turn has not the less contrasty footage. Look at any other video on DVD from the same era you're referencing and it won't look the same. Jim has just given a little polish to his footage (Upres and contrast/sharpening) before uploading. I set my sharpness to full in camera but I even output sharpen and upres, but its not what the footage looks like off the tape.

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19 hours ago, jordanpalmerwiens said:

 I've been filming with vx's for over 10 years. That second clip is in China (smog) and probably has a dirty lens. I had my vx serviced by Kerry from Video Electronics this year (which included a full lens assembly cleaning) and my footage looks in between the two. The footage from Jim has definitley had the blacks taken down or contrast increased, there's no doubt about it. This is from a long time vx filmer and experienced colour grader's opinion. The best part of the vx is the dynamic range it has compared to it's other Mini DV counterparts, which in turn has not the less contrasty footage. Look at any other video on DVD from the same era you're referencing and it won't look the same. Jim has just given a little polish to his footage (Upres and contrast/sharpening) before uploading. I set my sharpness to full in camera but I even output sharpen and upres, but its not what the footage looks like off the tape.

Yeah for sure, Jim sharpen and increase contrast while editing but thats not the point. If you do that with vxs with bad lenses it still looks bad and I'm talking about of most of the vx1000 out there since the lens unit isn't very sealed.

The bad thing is that everybody don't even bother about it, people films just to have the vx "looks" and don't give a fuck about how it should really be

 

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7 hours ago, twinskates said:

Yeah for sure, Jim sharpen and increase contrast while editing but thats not the point. If you do that with vxs with bad lenses it still looks bad and I'm talking about of most of the vx1000 out there since the lens unit isn't very sealed.

The bad thing is that everybody don't even bother about it, people films just to have the vx "looks" and don't give a fuck about how it should really be

 

Oh yeah no doubt there's tons of terrible filmers that learned on dslr cameras and are getting a vx for the clout. There's a whole cult behind the vx and just owning one doesn't matter.

'When I asked Wolfe what he thought of kids filming with VX1000s today, he said he sometimes wishes the camera would die. “It’s like, are you really buying a camera to make a video, or are you buying it to make a statement and have an accessory?” Fortunately, filmers like Panebianco, Garshell, and a handful of other VX1000 disciples are making sure the camcorder keeps its cred.'

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2018/07/13/tracing-history-skateboardings-most-famous-camera/

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On 7/31/2018 at 6:43 PM, DVX100Filmer said:

someone send that tre flip nose manny to weck. that deserves an episode of manny busters. 

i think he already shit on it a while ago

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