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Hey, starting a new thread because digging through years-old threads on the subject is maddening and most the relevant software has long since changed. 

I'm a FCPx user, but interested in the process of upscaling SD vx footage in Premiere Pro/FCPx/Compressor/etc... whatever will make it work. 

I'm including an example of a crispy 720p vx upload as well as one of my own if you want to see the difference I'm talking about, although I'm sure you know what I mean if you're here. 

 

https://youtu.be/A-bM40TMzNQ (my footage)

https://youtu.be/V5Cq59_GQn4 (crispy example)

 

My question is essentially how to achieve the 720p vx footage. Methods I've tried include:

1) creating a project in native SD dimensions (NTSC for me - so 640x480) and exporting as 960x720 (to preserve aspect ratio)

2) creating a custom project with 960x720 (rec.601 audio and 29.97 frame rate) and exporting that

3) taking a native 640x480 project, exporting natively, and then upscaling with Compressor/Media Encoder

 

If you have any experience doing this and maybe I'm missing something obvious, I'd sure love the help. 

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My workflow is to work native SD, export native, and then compress in Handbrake at 720. I make videos over a longer timeline and may not be doing things right, but that's my approach.

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I usually make a new project with custom settings 1440 x 1080, 50P and then just throw the vx footage on there, looks even crispier than the Lakai example you put, here's some of my footage:

 

 

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4 hours ago, ziggys91 said:

I usually make a new project with custom settings 1440 x 1080, 50P and then just throw the vx footage on there, looks even crispier than the Lakai example you put, here's some of my footage:

 

 

Wow. This tops it. This is def the best quality I have ever seen on a vx.

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15 hours ago, ziggys91 said:

I usually make a new project with custom settings 1440 x 1080, 50P and then just throw the vx footage on there, looks even crispier than the Lakai example you put, here's some of my footage:

 

 

Pretty nice VX quality. Do you also color correct?

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3 hours ago, LZC said:

Pretty nice VX quality. Do you also color correct?

nah, this is straight from the camera

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On 3/13/2019 at 7:55 AM, ziggys91 said:

I usually make a new project with custom settings 1440 x 1080, 50P and then just throw the vx footage on there, looks even crispier than the Lakai example you put, here's some of my footage:

 

Your footage looks great! Why 50P though? Native vx is 29.97 so I would imagine you'd either keep that frame rate or maybe do 60? But I don't understand 50. I tried creating a project with your exact settings last night and it was essentially playing everything back in slow motion. 

Planning on trying again with 1440x1080 and 29.97 frame rate tonight. 

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On 3/13/2019 at 5:22 AM, TuneBomb said:

My workflow is to work native SD, export native, and then compress in Handbrake at 720. I make videos over a longer timeline and may not be doing things right, but that's my approach.

This is what makes the most sense to me. I just didn't know if there was a difference between working on 1) native timeline, native export, then conversion vs 2) custom timeline, custom export. The difference could honestly be negligible... I don't have enough experience with compression. You have any footage online for an example?

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17 hours ago, brgmmb said:

Your footage looks great! Why 50P though? Native vx is 29.97 so I would imagine you'd either keep that frame rate or maybe do 60? But I don't understand 50. I tried creating a project with your exact settings last night and it was essentially playing everything back in slow motion. 

Planning on trying again with 1440x1080 and 29.97 frame rate tonight. 

I guess he is using a PAL VX shooting 50i so you can export 25p or 50p for a "smoother" look.

And regarding the upscale topic, I usually set my timeline to the exact same setting that the source footages, so I don't have to render anything to playback.

Then I export to 1478x1080 to keep the pixel aspect ratio.

Or sometime I export to 1920x1080 with black bars...

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On 3/14/2019 at 4:49 PM, brgmmb said:

Your footage looks great! Why 50P though? Native vx is 29.97 so I would imagine you'd either keep that frame rate or maybe do 60? But I don't understand 50. I tried creating a project with your exact settings last night and it was essentially playing everything back in slow motion. 

Planning on trying again with 1440x1080 and 29.97 frame rate tonight. 

thanks, it's a pal vx, so 50i instead of 60i yea

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On 3/19/2019 at 2:00 AM, justin33marko said:

This is straight out the camera, normal sequence settings for standard definition video in premiere pro, exported at full quality .mov then ran through mpegstreamclip 

you're not taking into account youtube's compression though. the higher the resolution, the higher the bitrate is for youtube. i would always recommend burning dvd's at the native resolution but when it comes to youtube you have to upres to get decent quality. i do similar to ziggy but add a little sharpening before exporting too, but 29.97 because 59.94 just isnt a look i like. even on hd. ive tried it before and just don't like it. when you watch raw footage on a crt tv its smooth but in a different way.

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11 hours ago, jordanpalmerwiens said:

you're not taking into account youtube's compression though. the higher the resolution, the higher the bitrate is for youtube. i would always recommend burning dvd's at the native resolution but when it comes to youtube you have to upres to get decent quality. i do similar to ziggy but add a little sharpening before exporting too, but 29.97 because 59.94 just isnt a look i like. even on hd. ive tried it before and just don't like it. when you watch raw footage on a crt tv its smooth but in a different way.

I let mpeg streamclip handle the compression. I’ll upload that single clip to YouTube today to show a comparison 

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1 hour ago, justin33marko said:

I let mpeg streamclip handle the compression. I’ll upload that single clip to YouTube today to show a comparison 

yes, you compress it before uploading, but youtube compresses it again. its impossible to have a raw file play on youtube. i actually don't even compress my videos now because I dont care about upload times. I convert them to 1440x1080p ProRes HQ (under the Quicktime Format). Notice you get 4.8x the compression if you upload it as 480p 30p vs 1080p 60p. You could even export as 29.97, then export that file as 59.94, still keeping the 29.97 look but gaining the 4 extra mbps.

 

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On 4/4/2019 at 7:45 AM, jordanpalmerwiens said:

yes, you compress it before uploading, but youtube compresses it again. its impossible to have a raw file play on youtube. i actually don't even compress my videos now because I dont care about upload times. I convert them to 1440x1080p ProRes HQ (under the Quicktime Format). Notice you get 4.8x the compression if you upload it as 480p 30p vs 1080p 60p. You could even export as 29.97, then export that file as 59.94, still keeping the 29.97 look but gaining the 4 extra mbps.

 

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1 hour ago, justin33marko said:

So rad I always learn new shit on this site that’s why it can never die 

 

 

settings in description. also this is an extremely hard clip for compression with the light, trees and textures. the more complex the scene the harder it will be for the compression.

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On 4/7/2019 at 1:12 PM, jordanpalmerwiens said:

 

 

settings in description. also this is an extremely hard clip for compression with the light, trees and textures. the more complex the scene the harder it will be for the compression.

thanks for the settings. Going to give this a try soon. 

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On 3/13/2019 at 6:55 AM, ziggys91 said:

I usually make a new project with custom settings 1440 x 1080, 50P and then just throw the vx footage on there, looks even crispier than the Lakai example you put, here's some of my footage:

 

 

how dude youre a vx youtube wizard.  So you just make the 4k timeline but then the clips get scaled up like zoomed in? 

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what is even the point of converting the frame rate to 60p instead of 29.97..  you cant magically create frames that arent there.  It just makes each frame play for a duration of 2 frames in a 60p timeline.  The size being upscaled for less compression by youtube might make sense though. Id just keep the frame rate the same unless that also changes how youtube compresses. 

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